I thought that I would just check in to see how this argument turned out. Seems that even though he is a Democrat (which isn't a dirty word to working folks) he won handily.

Seriously, give the guy a chance and, if you don't think he is doing a good job or whatever, gather the guts to run against him next time. That is the beauty of our electoral system.

Ryan is not good for Delavan. I really hope Will wins!!!!!!

Democrat Ryan Schroeder's ad in the 3/31/11 Delavan Enterprise stated that growth and development should not benefit developers. Hmmmmm. Ryan Schroeder must think developers should work for free. He clearly doesn't understand, that when a developer builds a house, neighborhood, restaurant, store, or hotel, they expect to make a profit. Good thing voters know before the election, that Democrat Ryan Schroeder will work to prevent developers from making a profit, and therefore prevent them from employing people, buying from local suppliers, etc. Hopefully, we will have an Alderman who believes in the free market and anyone's right to make a profit.

Since some on here think they know who some people are. How about you say who you are. Oh, you wont becuase they are a bunch of hypocrites. I guess the problem is I have no idea who Royce Debow is. So I guess I don't get it, but if you are going to call someone out, step up and say who you are. I could just assume that since you state you know so much about Ryan maybe you are him. Just saying watch what you start to say about others.

Royce Debow:  "liberal Democrat Ryan Schroeder is just a political hack and invented persona, backed up by liberal Democrat marketing"
Adjunctprof:  "liberal Democrat Ryan Schroeder ...         is wholly a fraud in the persona he and supporters have constructed"
The RDB quote is from a letter to the editor in this publication.
Adjunct from this blog thread.
Royce tries to distance himself from Adjuct by softening, calling Ryan a moderate but the mounting evidence narrows the gap between the two.
If Royce is not Adjunctprof, then when Adjuct snores it must be difficult for Royce too sleep.

Royce I never stated I preferred to attack, clearly or otherwise. Funny thing is instead of putting words in my mouth, you read my mind.
My username was chosen to neutralize BS, specifically yours. You are so full of the S that comes after the B.
Let's all play a game but with some homework first. Go to the website below,
www.logicalfallacies.info/
read up on how people spout BS using the tricks or logic fallacies and then count how many Royce and Adjunctprof use in his blogs.
Yes I attack Royce, because he is a hypocrite, his arguments anyone can shred.

www.logicalfallacies.info/

..... liberal Democrat Ryan Schroeder. As someone representing the large group of individuals who believe that Schroeder is wholly a fraud in the persona he and supporters have constructed to advance his political career...
This is straight from a published quote of Royce Debow. I submit that this an ad hominem attack. Note the phrase " liberal Democrat" how often is that used by Royce and/or Adjunctprof? If it walks like Royce and talks like a Royce...

I just hope Ryan Schroeder will not win. We need someone differant

Mr. DeBow, you say Mr. Schroeder isn't as qualified to serve and yet he has already served for ten years. How many years did Mr. Kahabka serve on the council? I know he served, I don't know for how long.

Damn, I did it again. Sorry Royce, I meant to say that AdjunctProf was using dual identities.
My bad. Any Ad Hominem should have been directed toward AdjunctProf. I hope everyone forgives my confusion.
Any way, Adjunct seems to have poured himself a glass of wine and is chilln' out of this conversation.

I appreciate 'NoBSs' honesty that he or she has little interest in the race, but prefers to attack various people who he or she disagrees with. I prefer examining and discussing candidate qualifications and political and policy positions. It has become clear that those attacking me have no answer to the direct comparisons between Schroeder and Kahabka, which clearly demonstrate Kahabka is the superior candidate. Schroeder may win as he has a built-in base of support from liberals and the Democratic Party, as well as those who Schroeder has a convinced he has something more to offer compared to Kahabka who has broader and deeper experiences. With little campaigning, it is easy to imagine a scenario where Schroeder wins. If that is the case, I will congratulate him and the other election winners. Thanks again to NoBS for clearly stating a preference of attacking, and failing to defend Schroeder in a side-by-side comparison to Kahabka.

Ad hominem?
Exactly. I do not have a lot of interest in the actual race. I find Royce Debow's atempt to influence the election using deception and double identities much more interesting. I will go to an ad hominem attack when it is deserved. It seems to be an arrow in his quiver.
I'm addressing a blogger, not a candidate.

Term of the Day: ad hominem.
–adjective
1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.
I thank the Schroeder supporters for demonstrating they are more interested and capable of attacking anyone who questions their guy, than answering serious concerns about him. Distraction is a good technique when the answers to tough questions are lacking. I will stick to issues. Kahabka has the necessary management experience that Schroeder lacks. Kahabka has the necessary business experience that Schroeder lacks. Kahabka will be more available for city business because he lives and works here. None of these facts make Schroeder a bad guy. These facts simply make Kahabka a better candidate. Regardless of which candidate wins, I look forward to working with them and the rest of the council and mayor.

When NoBS commented, to Royce Debow, he said, "IF" you were Adjuctprof. A conditional. Logic would tell you that he should only be threatened if the condition were true, otherwise nothing to fear. I think Royce just reacted not realizing that by speaking as if the conditional was true, he was admitting it was. He denies he is Adjunctprof in the face of mounting evidence. Very sad.

This identity thing I must admit, has me confused as to whom I am speaking.
I meant to say
"AdjuctProf, if you are Royce Debow, I predict you will shamefully go into self impose exile from the GazetteExtra blogs. If the truth be revealed."

Since Royce is NOT Adjunct, any comments of mine will be directed towards Adjunct. This should release Royce from all concern and worry that I am directing anything towards him.

Mmm, bigcheese, NoBS, aware3 and myself have come to the conclusion that adjuct and Royce Debow are indeed the same.
Funny, adjuctprof knows Ryan very well while Royce, who I believe served on the council with Mr. Schroeder has had limited face time with him. Mmm again
Anonymous adjuct makes personal attacks while Royce, in the same linguistic style, stays correctly political.

What about you Adjunct??

Dear NoBS,
I am not AdjuctProf.

so AductProf are you or are you not Royce Debow?
Otherwise silence is deafening.

"That said" by both

so Royce are you or are you not AdjuctProf?
Otherwise silence is deafening.

"That said" by both

Someone told me to check out this web site/story, etc., since they saw my name in the Reader's Comments. Now I know why. Ouch. Let me say what I, Royce DeBow, think. Then, anyone is free to criticize me. I will try to hit the highlights of everyone's postings that are relevant.

First, I have no opinion on Ryan Schroeder's personal life, as I don't know him that well. Even if I did, it wouldn't matter, as that's why they call it a 'personal' life. It's personal and has little if anything to do with ones ability to perform in their job. In terms of signs, candidates can use whatever signs they like and who cares if Schroeder's say 'Re-Elect.'

While a city resident, I don't live in that district, so he wouldn't be my Alderman. That also means, I can't vote for him or his opponent(s). In terms of his politics, I agree, they are no secret. I also agree that he does NOT seem to be in the far left-wing of his party, but more moderate. That said, I would rather see one of his opponents, Will Kahabka, as the next Alderman in that district. Comparatively, I think Kahabka's experience, background, and approach is more valuable than Schroeder's. If Schroeder has all these great connections in Madison to bring a bunch of jobs to Delavan, as someone suggested, why hasn't he used them, especially when Democrats were in the majority while Jim Doyle was still governor? In addition, having worked in the legislature, I know there are long days that could pose conflicts with city business. I believe Ryan Schroeder has probably done a good job for his boss in the capitol and is committed to continuing to do a good job. However, at times, he would need to choose between two masters, the city or state. Both are important.

I give all the candidates credit for putting themselves out there. Politics need not be so negative and venomous. In closing, the few face-to-face interactions I have had with Ryan Schroeder in recent years, have been positive and cordial. While some of our views on public policy are very different, some are probably very similar. However, when it comes to the combination of approach, views, availability, and experience, Will Kahabka is a better choice for 3rd district voters.

Royce debow is entitled to distort and mislead the voters but he's no entitled 2 his own facts!! The facts are that Schroeder has a record of leading the way to the 1st tax decrease in decades back in 2004's fiscal year as you recall. The finance committee that year had orginally proposed yet another tax increase on Delavan city residents. and Ryan Schroeder as I recall observing and reading the paper ruffled a few feathers of members on the city council and mayor mel with a laundry list of wasteful spending in his opinion it was amazing that the pencils could be suddenly sharpened and a tax increase that was once proposed became a tax decrease proposed budget, Point being had Ryan Schroeder not spoken up for working families more republican conservative members of the council had already show support for a tax increase that year!! I think Ryan standing up and shedding light and demanding we stop locally sticking it to us citizens that live here goes against your mud slinging that all he is, is a tax and spending liberal democrat! Study the record Royce! Stop the distortion of Ryan's true record of being fiscally conservative. That's one issue how about his willingness to work with lake lawn and keep it up and running. I drive around city and see his signs and in many cases only his sign in front of local businesses. As much as you try to paint him a anti business the true business leaders know otherwise. Stop your usual attacks because we all know your biased against Ryan. One last note is its funny how you have concerns that Ryan Schroeder works fulltime at the state level and the would serve locally if elected. But you (Royce) and the mayor and memebers didnt voice any concerns when Royce served a very short time as I recall as a politcal appointment to the council while working for a state rep. In total Royce fashion you show your much a hypocrite you are while attacking Ryan Schroeder for similar circumstances, perhaps what it really ism is that your jealous that time and time again Ryan has had the confidence of his closest neighbors and friends like me that he has represented and each and everytime he's won this seat. Yet one and only time you ran you could only muster up more that 40 botes! is that where the hostility rally lies Royce Debow?? Vote for confidence, experiance, and a willingness to get things done. Vote for Schroeder....

Adjuct, Adjuct, Adjuct
Don't be such an obvious schill!

bigcheese79, you live in the same fantasy world with those (primarily Democrats such as Ryan Schroeder and his boss) who believe public sector jobs are the backbone of our economy. Furthermore, it was Governor Doyle and the Democrats' policies which made Wisconsin unattractive to job providers. I know, 'spread the wealth.' While you, President Obama and Ryan Schroeder all work to socialize our democracy, others prefer a free market and politicians who are willing to make the tough choices, such as Governor Scott Walker, who Schroeder and his boss are fighting. Wisconsin's high taxes (4th in the nation) discourage job growth. Ryan Schroeder has not only supported this, but worked to create an anti-business climate with his fellow liberal Democrats. Reality trumps rhetoric. Unlike Democrat Russ Feingold, Democrat Ryan Schroeder is unwilling to stand up to his party when their policies hurt job providers, promote vote fraud, extract more from the middle class through higher taxes and fees. That's fine. At least we know Ryan Schroeder stands for higher taxes and fees, as he and his boss worked to pass in Governor Doyle's final budget, which two years ago, raised taxes and fees by $2 billion on Wisconsin's middle class families. Again, reality trumps rhetoric. It is good that voters know they are getting a politician who has worked to raise taxes and fees. Hopefully voters will consider Will Kahabka, a small business owner who knows how to get things done and survive a recession, over tax and spend Democrat Ryan Schroeder.

WOW AdjunctProf you sound alot like Royce Debow, or could it be that you are...If you hate schroeder sooo much and have to dip soo low to attack him personally with how he is a father then there is something def wrong with you...When was the last time Will ran yah 15 years ago when we were in alot different times in delavan, Schroeder has the experiance and the connections in Madison to get jobs to delavan area to draw businesses to delavan...to keep are cops and other city employees paid well so we dont have layoffs... Hes in madison as an aide yes, but what better person would you rather see on the councel then someone who is in this right now and can help are city grow....

Again you spend way too much time calling Schroeder a Democrat. No one has denied he is a Democrat. Thanks for the criticism of my grammar Mr. Grammar Police. Really? How petty is that? I saw an interesting poll in yesterday's Walworth County Republican Sunday. It said 62% of those polled are not happy the governor's bill finally passed. Maybe being a Democrat isn't as big an obstacle for Mr. Schroeder as you make it out to be.

Ryan Schroeder stated:
I am pleased to endorse Democrat Doug Harrod to be our next State Representative in the 32nd District. I encourage the voters of the 32nd Assembly District to stand behind Doug.
In an election year that is full of historical significance I will do all I can to help Doug become the first Democrat elected to the State Assembly in this part of the state for a seat like this. "It's time for change"
It's important to unite in the cause to elect an individual who will truly represent and be a voice for middle class families, who will work to improve education for our childeren and who will work to ensure that all Wisconsinites have access to affordable health care, while at the same time working to create new jobs with decent wages to get our economy jump started again. That individual is Democrat Doug Harrod.
I will be voting Doug Harrod for 32nd District Assembly on election day and I hope you will too.

Sincerely,
Ryan J. Schroeder
Former Democratic nominee for State Representative of the 32nd District,

Democrat Ryan Schroeder and his supporters are silent on where liberal Democrat Ryan Schroeder stands; with Governor Walker or against him? Schroeder's silence and that of his gang speaks volumes. I guess we can count Democrat Ryan Schroeder on the side of high taxes, increased fees, and high unemployment, but totally in favor of job protection, big pay, lavish benefits and pensions for public union employees at the expense of tax payers and Wisconsin jobs. Democrat Ryan Schroeder can't break from his party line of anti-Walker, anti-tax payer, out-of-touch protesters.

username27, Except for the grammar, I couldn't agree with you more when you wrote, "No one should voted based on a press release alone." Unfortunately, Democrat Ryan Schroeder's press releases tell voters absolutely nothing about he and his Milwaukee Democrat bosses fight against Governor Scott Walker's efforts to balance the budget. I would prefer Schroeder take a stand rather than pretend. However, not holding my breath as he and his supporters fear revealing their true colors to local voters. Hello? Ryan Schroeder, where do you stand, with Governor Scott Walker or against him? Just tell us with out a bunch of politician-speak.

bigcheese79, you want experience? I heard Will Kahabka is running. He served on the council as well and has far more relevant experience than Democrat Ryan Schroeder.

I'm sure Mr. Schroeder would not deny he is a Democrat or where he stands on any issue you want to ask him about. I'm not sure it is appropriate to expect him to lay out everything he believes in in one short press release. No one should voted based on a press release alone. It is the voter's job to do research and possibly even contact the candidate with questions. You keep pointing out Mr. Walker is from Delavan. So what? Why should that influence my vote for Common Council?

why not give him your vote, i would much rather go into the unknown, (new adminstrator), with someone who has been there before, schroeder knows delavan, and who cares if his car isnt in his driveway, you ever think he may be out at community events or attending councel meetings....I am going to vote for him...with shared revnue dwindling away and a new adminstrator Im voting for experiance.

username27, You are correct that city council is a non-partisan office. That said, do you really believe that Ryan Schroeder stops being a Democrat when he walks into city hall? Schroeder and his party's legacy of creating a $137 million deficit this fiscal year and a $3.6 billion deficit for the next biennium, as well as doing everything possible to prevent Governor Walker from fixing these problems are what he stands for. If not, let him stand up and say so, clearly and without platitudes or qualification. Otherwise, we must assume that Schroeder supports the Democrat party and opposes Delavan native, Governor Scott Walker.

I did not criticize you for pointing out facts. I criticized you for doing so with such hate and venom in your delivery that it made me question your facts. You also included a healthy dose of subjective interpretations along with your "facts". You are so obviously biased against Mr. Schroeder that there must be something personal there.

Again, maybe Mr. Schroeder hasn't made a big deal out of being a Democrat because the Common Council is a non-partisan position. I didn't see Mayor Mel openly advertising he was a Republican when he ran for mayor last time. He doesn't have to because everyone knows. Mr. Schroeder is a Democrat and most everybody knows. If you want to let partisan politics determine who you vote for in a non-partisan election go ahead. That is your choice.

Schroeder needs to tell voters which of his tax payer funded jobs will be his priority. Schroeder needs to tell voters where he stands, with tax payers or public employee unions, and if the latter, how he would avoid raising taxes and fees, driving more jobs away from Delavan and Wisconsin. Concealing he is a Democrat is slippery at best. Why do Schroeder's press releases state nothing of his current full-time job with the Democrats in Madison? Of course, my expectation is another response that attacks those who simply point out facts about Democrat Ryan Schroeder. Yet the questions above remain.

Wow. We have Democrat haters, even though this is a non-partisan election, and Ryan Schroeder haters. Sounds personal. Then don't vote for him. Your obvious hate for the man makes me question your motives and your arguments. By saying "Schroeder deserves another term" one might be simply stating that he held the office before and he deserves another chance with it. YOUR interpretation is that it means he is the incumbent. Maybe that is ignorant. Maybe he is putting up "Re-elect" signs because it was too close to the election to get new signs printed up.

I don't know the man as well as some of you think you do, but I'm not willing to buy all the hate without recognizing there might simply be some personal reasons for some people to be disrespecting the man so much.

Who said he wasn't a Democrat? I didn't. I don't recall anyone else saying that either.

I have never questioned Ryan Schoeder as a person. He is a nice guy but I do remember he did run as a Democrat for the State Assembly and he also endorsed Democrat Doug Harrod for Assembly last election. So for you to say he is not a democrat is a joke.

I thought the city council was supposed to be a non-partisan position. Why all the animosity over him being a Democrat? Maybe all the Democrats in town should vote Mayor Mel out then for being a Republican when his term is up. Schroeder has experience and can provide a counterbalance to the Republican leaning council. Any political body needs balance or you get what has been going in in Madison lately--one party dominance. Of course if you are Republican that is just fine with you.

The representative that Schroeder works for is by no means a "liberal" - even "Blue Dog" doesn't cover his business first position.

Schroeder has stayed involved in the community, even after leaving office and you can tell just by the number of events that he not only shows up for, but volunteers for and helps to put on, that he really cares about Delavan.

I've met him a few times at these events and he has always seemed genuine concerned about the area, even when he is not running for office. I think that his job in Madison gives him an even better insight on how the changing state policy on shared revenue will affect us. In my opinion, he deserves another term.

I just think that Delavan needs a new face on the Council. Both Ryan and Will have been on before. New ideas are needed in a new era!

First Walker was born in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Yes, he does have some ties to Delavan.
About Ryan Schroeder, he is a legislative aide for an Assemblyman from the south side of Milwaukee, not exactly a liberal area. As an aide he does not necessarily have to stay for late meetings at the Capitol.

A positive for Schroeder is that he knows people in Madison and may actually be able to get some help for Walworth County. And he won't be double dipping like Lothian's aide did a few years ago.

This guy is a clown, I have spoken with him many times.

I have just found out that Christopher Lindloff is running as a write-in. I will vote for him.

I have heard that there is at least one other doing a write-in and maybe even another. The City of Delavan will have a choice.

Also interesting that Schroeder's press release fails to mention his full time job working for a liberal Milwaukee Democrat. I wonder why that is?

Schroeder is a Democrat who works fulltime at the capitol for a liberal Milwaukee Democrat legislator. Schroeder and his boss have been fighting Gov Walker, who I believe is from Delavan. When the Wisconsin house is meeting late and there is a city council or committee meeting, which taxpayer funded job will Schroeder choose, Democrat capitol staffer or Delavan city government? Either way, Schroeder shorts the tax payers. Hopefully someone else will run and provide an alternative to liberal Democrat Ryan Schroeder.

He is a Democrat!!