When in doubt resort to childish tactics like this:
'"Hey! FOX sports said that the Packers lost to Chicago so that must be a lie as well!!"
FOX did lie BunBun, the Packers lost to the BEARS, not Chicago."' -Really?

"Wow. Panama has lost it."
This coming from the person who wrote;
"Are they (FOX NEWS) a threat to the Liberal agenda? Yes, because they DON'T misinform. That is why the Democrats see it fit to silence them, and trick people into helping their fight."
And you think I'VE lost it, ProudFighter? Well at least I'm not dreaming up conspiracy theories.

Wow. Panama has lost it.

Gee BunBun, I’m glad you think my retorts are witty but evidently my attempts at sarcasm fell short, much like yours. Let me explain the point I’m trying to make with Eman.
The “Indians” moniker adopted by the Mukwonago athletic teams is viewed as insulting to some Native Americans. Eman states the solution is NOT to change the name of the schools athletic teams and that the offended Native Americans are just being overly sensitive.
I’m simply questioning why he does not take his own advice. The symbol the Islamic Center represents is perceived to be an insult to some Americans. Accordingly, the answer is NOT to change the location of the Center since those who oppose its intended location are just basically overly sensitive.
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So BunBun, instead of comparing the building process of the Islamic Center with the re-construction of a Greek Orthodox Church or whether the backer of the Islamic Center can afford to build a hotdog stand, how about expressing an actual opinion.
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I thought trollish tactics consisted of using inflammatory rhetoric such as using the word “cult” to describe Muslims instead of using the less seditious term “religion”. Of course, another word for “cult” is “religious group” but then a pseudo-intellectual such as yourself already knew that. I am assuming, by your views, that you are a member of a Christian cult. Me too, but my Christian cult is more accepting of others than the cults you and Eman belong to.
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As for the silly notion you have that I am somehow questioning your intellect, all I have to say is that my views are certainly more liberal than either yours or Eman’s. I’ll leave it for others to decide the level of your intellect.

trollish tactic #2
when your argument goes nowhere- switch the direction of attack.

cults who want to build social centers(mosque) is now Indian nicknames. If you respond with something along the lines of - only a minority of native americans even care about this issue- the argument will change to how you want to kill gay people.

I didn't see sarcasm in your last post Panama, as the majority was you reposting my comments with your "me smart, you dumb" attempt at a witty rejoinder.

"This has nothing to do with the color of skin."
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"It has everything to do with thickness of it."

So Eman, that's your view of Native Americans when they oppose schools using likenesses or names of "Indians" as school mascots and/or team monikers. Yet you claim I am showing "disrespect, contempt and intolerance" for Christianity by NOT opposing the Islamic Center slated to be built 2 blocks from "ground zero".
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Well, all I have to say is that you, Eman, have one screwed up sense of morality.

"Yet another person who fails to get sarcasm..."

I must have missed the MSNBCBSABCAPUPI (ministry of truth) report of intolerant protesters lying in front of the construction equipment that have stopped the cult center even after the city gave approval. Must be a Haliburton/Cheney led conspiracy.

and yes I should have said Bears so pedantic folks like you wouldn't confuse them with Chicago's other NFL team.....

What?? You mean EVERYTHING on FOX news isn't a lie??!! Well, now that you mention it, they are accurate when they give the time and temperature updates.

Really BunBun? The ONLY thing stopping the Islamic Center from being built is because the "cult leader in question" lacks financing? Silly me, for some reason I was under the impression the protesters arguing against locating the Islamic Center two blocks from "ground zero" were confusing the terrorists of 9/11 with the backers of the Islamic Center and THAT'S why construction was delayed.
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"The local cult leader does not have the cash to build a hotdog stand on the corner, let alone a building in Manhatan."
Let me guess BunBun; that 's sarcasm, right?
Thank goodness there are non-pseudo intellectuals like you to set us straight.
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"Hey! FOX sports said that the Packers lost to Chicago so that must be a lie as well!!"
FOX did lie BunBun, the Packers lost to the BEARS, not Chicago.

Its quite interesting to see how the pseudo intellectuals debate online. "your stupid and I'm smart" seems to be the extent of your arguments. I'm impressed that you thought to give weight to your opinion with snippets from the Onion (bullet points, no less). Also it is interesting to note how this "me smarter than everyone" shows in how you follow two basic rules on these forums:
1)EVERYTHING on FOX news is a lie.
2)EVERYONE who disagrees with me watches FOX and therefore may be ignored because of rule #1
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As to being embarrassed, There is nothing for me to be embarrassed about. Are you embarrassed to be ranting about bigotry and intolerance When the cult leader in question does not have the money to build his mosque? Especially since this is the only thing stopping him from building and not the fear of Baptist suicide bombers?

Gee BunBun, there is no need to pretend your comments were satirical just because you're embarrassed you couldn't tell the difference between a real news story and a Fox (Faux) news story.
Although the Onion had some interesting news reports of opposition groups blocking several other building sites; for example
* New York—New Citibank ATM vestibule just two blocks from site of devastating financial collapse
* Elizabeth, NJ—Bed, Bath, and Beyond on sacred IKEA grounds
* Pearl Harbor, HI—P.F. Chang's location a reasonable cab ride away from the U.S.S. Arizona Memorial
* Philadelphia—British consulate on hard-won U.S. soil
* Terre Haute, IN—Frito-Lay display planned for Baesler's Market is an affront to the fact that Terre Haute was the original U.S. test market for Pringles
* Culver City, CA—Comedy club built next to the site where that disaster Grown Ups was filmed
* Provincetown, MA—Organic artisan cheese stand set up next to raw cashew cheese booth at farmer's market
* Lakehurst, NJ—Balloon store only three miles from site of Hindenburg crash

Yet another person who fails to get sarcasm...How about some direct comments:
What "fear and bigotry" is preventing the cult center from being built in New York? (here is a hint- none). The local cult leader does not have the cash to build a hotdog stand on the corner, let alone a building in Manhatan.
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Yes, now I remember the hordes of Lutherans dancing for joy in the streets of Milton at the death of abortionists. So how many of the Feds, state and local cops that were Christian decided they weren't going to go after a "fellow" Christian? I would remind you that the leadership of most of the mainstream christian groups spoke against killing anyone (even abortion clinic workers) but maybe that was only reported by FOX so therefore would have to be untrue. Hey! FOX sports said that the Packers lost to Chicago so that must be a lie as well!!

Eman believes falsehoods make for "excellent points".
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See BunBun, that’s the problem when you only get your news from FOX. The rebuilding of the Greek Orthodox Church has nothing to do with “fear and bigotry”. News from independent sources report it has everything to do with money. Evidently the Church leaders believe the Port Authority reneged on a deal which would have provided millions of dollars to help the Church rebuild but the Port Authority denies that a deal ever existed. So you (or Hannity) believe "the blood of all those innocents shed in the name of the Greek Orthodox church is the deciding factor". No BunBun, the deciding factor is how much taxpayer money the Greek Orthodox Church gets so it can rebuild.
That is really pathetic BunBun; trying to justify your view by using a fake news story reported by FOX.
You can't use logic to defend your point of view so instead you just making stuff up?
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…”you would have no shortage of Christians volunteering to unleash mayhem upon those who do evil in the name of Christ.”
Sure BunBun. So tell me, which Christian leaders publicly expressed their outrage when Dr. George Tiller was murdered by a "Christian acting in the name of God”as he sat in a "house of God". Or how about the "Christians" who helped abortion clinic bomber Eric Rudolph escape justice for several years even though his terrorist activities killed two people and injured at least 150 others. Save your “holier than thou” attitude for your FOX buddies.
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One other point:
Compare the average Christian to all those peace loving Muslims out there- If some Christian bunch killed 3000 innocents you would have no shortage of Christians volunteering to unleash mayhem upon those who do evil in the name of Christ. I don't see the hordes of Muslims enlisting to rid the world of evil done in the name of Allah.

So, are you just as irate over the fear and bigotry that is keeping the Greek Orthodox church from being rebuilt near ground zero as you are of people who think a Muslim center is a poor choice for the area? I guess the blood of all those innocents shed in the name of the Greek Orthodox church is the deciding factor.

When you make statements like,"When it comes to hate, intolerance and thuggery"
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Actually Eman, I did not make that statement. I took it from the text of the editorial writer whose position you are defending. He used those terms to describe Mr. Moore which is rather silly since Mr. Moore's documentaries typically EXPOSE hate, intolerance and thuggery.
You still don't get it Eman. I'm not defending Islamic Terrorists, I am defending the right of law abiding members of the Muslim faith to practice their religion where they want. We wouldn't be having this discussion if ANY other religious group planned to build in the exact same location. You didn't look up the meaning of the word "tolerant", did you Eman. Tolerance is described as open-mindedness, leniency, exhibiting a non-judgmental attitude. By contrast it is narrow-minded and intolerant to think that extremists, who while claiming to be Muslim but in fact are rebuked by true Muslims, represent ALL followers of the faith. Tell me, how can we tell the difference between those "Christian" terrorists burning the Koran from true Christian believers?

"You just know what a quagmire you'd be strutting into revealing your hypocrisy."
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Do you even read what you write, crafty? What does that statement even mean anyway?
The only thing I know, crafty, is that you use the same, tired rhetoric against every viewpoint with which you disagree. What do the "Koran burners in FLorida" have in common with those opposing the location of an Islamic Center two city blocks away from "ground zero"? Only the fact that those who oppose the Islamic Center in NY make the same baseless assertions and exhibit the same intolerant behavior as the supposed “Christians” who wanted to burn the Koran.
I clearly stated how I feel about the Islamic Centers location yet you can't quite logically process where I might stand on the issue of burning a Koran?
So crafty, have I revealed my hypocrisy yet? Have I strutted in to your quagmire?

And yet you still don't answer. If I'm such a juvenile it would be no trouble debating me....You just know what a quagmire you'd be strutting into revealing your hypocrisy.

Sorry to burst your bubble Eman, but this has nothing to do with me. This issue is about fear and intolerance that prevents an Islamic Center from building where they have a lawful right to do so. We don't limit the number or location of Churches or Temples - why should an Islamic Center or Mosque be any different. The Center will have no effect on those visiting ground zero and likely would have gone completely unnoticed, much like the other buildings housing Muslim based organizations located nearby. The only thing being trampled is the Islamic Centers right to build. Ignorance breeds fear and intolerance and lead to cowardly actions. America is home of the free and the brave, Eman, not home of the cowards like you and this editorial writer.
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"I asked first silly!"
crafty, does your mommy know you're up so late posting on the internet?

I asked first silly! Typical Liberal tactic. Too bad it makes you look like a tool. Am I surprised? Not at all.

But Eman, YOU ARE the one who claims "it's the wrong thing to do" yet you have no answer. That seems typical. If you don't have an opinion why bother posting your comment?
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So you aren't going to answer crafty?

So you aren't going to answer Panama?

Quite possibly the lamest and most inaccurate op-ed column ever printed. Keeping the fear-machine alive and well.

Do you think it's ok to burn the Bible, crafty?
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Exactly how far from ground zero is the "right" distance the Islamic Center could be built, Eman? And what is the purpose of requiring the Center to be built further away?

Were you ok with the Koran burners in FLorida?

What a shock! This editorial writer operating as "the buffoonish purveyor of anti-American slander in various" Opinions "that have properly wowed the lemming" right, implies that the mosque and a related “cultural center” should not be built two blocks from ground zero.
No of course not, it should be built, um lets see, oh I know, it should be built 3 blocks away...no wait, that's still to close. If you walk a couple blocks this way then maybe, on a sunny day, you might see the reflection of the "cultural center" in that building that has all the windows. Ok, then it should be built 4 blocks away. Yes, that should be a safe distance since as we are all aware "most Americans know in their gut that a mosque near ground zero would serve as a symbol of defiance and conquest for a sizable element of the Muslim world" but that's only if its built 2 blocks away. They won't laugh at us if its built 4 blocks away, besides we don't want to come across as though we fear or loathe Muslims - we simply want to keep them a safe distance from, um, ground zero.
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"Such moonbat rhetoric helps to explain why 70 percent of Americans oppose" the idiots who insist the Islamic Center should not be built at the proposed sight. "When it comes to hate, intolerance and thuggery" the far right has few peers.